Welcome to the Outside the box Community Group on Trot on TV. A group to offer remedies or advice on how to solve a problem, in one of the less common ways, using a different approach. For open minded people who can look outside the box and see the bigger picture! Topics can be on anything or something you have tried that works. Like using vegetable oil as an inexpensive hoof moisturisor, or how to perhaps assist in preventing a horse from crib biting, to home made fly repellant receipes. To bit less bridles and treeless saddles. Anything really!

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Outside the box

	Outside the box	261 members
	A group to offer remedies or advice on how to solve a problem, in one of the less common ways, using a different approach. For open minded people who can look outside the box and see the bigger picture! Topics can be on anything or something you have tried that works. Like using vegetable oil as an inexpensive hoof moisturisor, or how to perhaps assist in preventing a horse from crib biting, to home made fly repellant receipes. To bit less bridles and treeless saddles. Anything really!
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What Colour is your equipment and what colour do you wear - Says a lot about you !!!!	7	30.08.2010 12:28:15
y pony keeps scratching his tail...	1	30.08.2010 12:26:46
keeping hair healthy..	62	24.08.2010 22:37:58
NAME YOUR TRAINING PROGRAM	10	14.08.2010 11:28:43
Skinny or Fit????	20	10.08.2010 11:14:24
Views on "comb" spurs	63	05.08.2010 13:19:41
High Blowing	18	27.07.2010 13:15:52
Name That Bit............	26	27.07.2010 12:14:51
Loading a moody mare!	7	26.07.2010 00:12:52
All problems are pain related - What a lame excuse!	13	15.07.2010 05:35:06
Carrots!	25	28.05.2010 14:24:06
Double joint bits?	7	28.05.2010 07:34:43
Horses and Language.	8	26.05.2010 01:10:14
Effects of the Bit	4	25.05.2010 01:41:40
Where has all the fun gone?	12	17.05.2010 12:18:56
Crib Biting - It may not work for all!	6	15.05.2010 19:08:49
10,000 hours	6	14.05.2010 22:56:05
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BHS & fully insured..but god help anyone who injures my pony...but then the drivers are also more considerate where I am now, including the lorry drivers who don't try and squeeze past you, I've not had a single word of abuse from any dog walker, cyclist or driver...must be something to do with the proximity of Bristol at the last place...someone did describe it as a bunch of "council house cavalry with no education"..not that being without a GCSE means a person is stupid in my book, I don't beleive anyone is thick or stupid...just learn in different way and that traditional teaching doesn't work for everyone...Alan Sugar doesn't have a qualification to his name...and look where he has got to by sheer hard graft, determination and application of the grey matter.

Yes have just renewed my daughter's membership just �43 for an under 21 yr old. I insure our 2 big ridden horses and the tiny ponies are covered 3rd party via my daughters BHS liability cover. I don't know how anyone can take a horse off their yard without at least 3rd party cover.

So agree about 3rd party insurance - as you can have it by supporting the BHS at the same time,& all their access work, it's a no-brainer in my opinion

Yes what you say is very true. There are a lot of ignorant yard owners and managers out there it does make me cross or chuckle as it doesn't affect me. As for insurance it is unbelievab;e that people travel and compete their horses uninsured. It disgusts me as there is no excuse. The BHS membership gives you 3rd party liability and I believe anyone taking a horse anywhere including ridden out on roads etc must have this as a minimum. I know insurance is expensive but then a horse is a luxury pet and if people can't afford it they shouldn't have one. As you can see iinsurance is a hot topic with me!!! lol. Once you have found a good yard you are laughing, but they are far and few between sadly. I remember reading that you were leaving your yard as you were unhappy there. It needs to be a place you enjoy going to! x

Get what you are saying Yaz. No yard has ever asked me for a strangles test. At my last yard, there was one hell of a stink about 2 geldings coming from a yard with strangles. Both had loads of blood tests and were isolated until given the all clear even though it was only in the mares group (geldings kept seperately). I have never been to a yard where any horses are isolated for 2 weeks (my instructor in Hamsphire isolates for a month on a seperate yard) on arrival (you would think that would be the norm) so it would be left to the owner being honest. Part of the reason I left my old yard (apart from the bullying and abuse of my pony), was that more and more people were turning up with uninsured horses. These would be the same people who screamed blue murder and started bandying about sueing for vets bills. A far cry from when I arrived there and had to prove I had insurance. Thankfully the yard I am at now is much better run...but then it would be, the owner set it up becuase she was sick of poor standards at livery yards and paying through the nose. While the standards are high, there is no bullying, no abuse, and the horses welfare and comfort is put above all else. I do agree with you that destroying a strangles carrier is a waste of a good animal, but livery yards just won't take them (if the owner is honest)...and like you say about not enough being known, in my experience, most of the livery yard owners are pretty ignorant about horses in general, vast majority are in it for the money so squeeze as many as they can into as small an area as possible to maximise revenue.

Hi, I don't think that many yards insist on strangles testing. There is only 1 that my husband shoes at that springs to mind. I think far more effective and sensible is 2 weeks isolation, then the new horse can be wormed etc and if it is a carrier of anything that stress may bring put that will show up in that time. Trouble is most yards are not professional enough to do that and frankly unless you restrict horses going off yards to shows and rides the yard is always susceptible to viruses etc. I am lucky enough to have mine at home, but if I were to run a yard I would definately only isolate newbies. I have 1st hand experience of a strangles carrier and he has never passed it on. Not enough is understood about strangles and the levels and shedding etc.

You are probably right Yas but do you think any livery yard would accept a horse or pony that was diagnosed as a strangles carrier....I think not and as the vast majority of horse owners do not own their own fields, you don't really have an awful lot of choice.

Hi ponypower, I have to disagree about owners having strangles carriers PTS. You ask any vet and they will tell you that it is probable as many as 1 in 5 horses are strangles carriers. This does not mean that they give strangles to other horses. That only happens if they are 'shedding' and not enough is known about how or why this happens. A horse can be a carrier all it's life and never pass on the virus. You can have a yard full of strangles cases and one or two horses may catch strangles and never show symptoms and then become a 'carrier'.

I have come into contact with strangles..lady bought a pony from a dealer to a yard I was at an it wasn't isolated...yikes. There was a lot of shouting about who would pay for others horses vet bills if the contracted it however, I will say this...it is endemic. It will happen, it's how it is managed that is important. Strangles in endemic in the New Forrest and my pony was born on the forest. She has never shown any signs of strangles in the 9 years I have owned her, nor has any horse that she has been in contact with ever come down with strangles. Unfortunatley you can't restrict the movement of wild ponies, and I think it is also carried by deer, so I'm not sure how you would stop them getting into your fields. Strangles is actually an entirely natural if not very nice infection for horses, it's only life threatening when its turns to Bastard Strangles and gets into the organs. Most people who are unlucky enough to end up with a recovered strangles pony/horse which turns out to be a carrier choose to have them PTS, the alternative is to keep them in isolation for the rest of their lives. There are more deadly diseases making it to our shores these days.

Strangles - the word just conjures up fear. Yes totally agree, a yard should be isolated and a movement ban put on it until the all clear is given, even if it is only a suspected case. I stay well put if I hear of a yard with a suspected case, and always play safe. At shows my horses touch no one, I touch no other horses and I certainly don't let them speak. It would be great if we could actually eradicate strangles, but as some horses are carriers with never showing signs this won't happen. Only a blood test will show if the horse is a carrier (and this is not totally accurate). Everyone should conformed to the rules, but they won't, through ignorance saying it's fine as there are no clinical signs. Nasty nasty disease for the horses to get. Very difficult to prevent spreading too, as its a tough bacteria, that can hide in anything through transfer and live a long time.

Not sure where I must have heard it was airborn then fasari! Maybe misheard it, or maybe the point was it is just so easily spread, my pony is going nowhere for a while now people are so very irresponsible with horses that have come into contact with an infected one e.g taking them to a busy show!

sophieandcallum

strangles is spread through direct contact between horses or via indirect contact, e.g tack and equipment, shared drinking bowls, and feed. Not airborn. Very easily spread though. The bacteria can live in water for up to 4 weeks and wood and tack for up to 8 weeks. - clothing - hands

Trienka, It does happen and has happened in my area! Strangles is also air born so can be transmitted through an infected horse being in the same stable or barn as other. It can be spread by both direct and indirect contact this can include mucking out aparatus, so when they are isolated they are completely cut off from any other horse, due to it being a notifiable disease it is against the law to know your horse is infected and not have told the authorities or saught veterinary advice nevermind take it to a show!

sophieandcallum

Well if your horse can get strangles from merely coming into contact with another horse that has it, says it all, i would think that if a horse has strangles and has drank from the water at a show as your horse has there is avery high risk of your horse being infected, but then again anyone stupid enough to take there infected horse along to a show with strangles is really irrisponsible and i would assume that would not happen !!!! Would it ?? i would hope not, strangles is highly infectious similair to mads cow disease i would very much doubt any responsible horse owner would take there infected pony/ horse to a show with it, as it can also be transfered by human contact with the animal

Leave a comment for the group here...Tried posting my opinion to get a hand to get a head for the second time."Someone" must be trying to tell me something as computer malfunctioned both times:(

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I have worked at a number of barns that in cold, wet, or whatever type of bad weather horses were blanketed outside, or blanketed in the stall. In the winter, they always were stalled with blankets on. I have put on and taken off so many blankets, that if I had a nickel for every time I put one on and another for when I took them off, I could come to the UK first class and take all the members of Trot On TV to a great 5 star restaurant and show. I have put all of this out there to ask the following question: Why would a THIN COATED Arabian mare, a desert horse, choose to stand out in the rain on a day that the chill factor is 38 degrees? I left this mare around an open barn on hay scavanging duty. I know that she stood outside because she was as WET as the horses in the pasture with no cover but the trees.

blindhorsedancer

hair bobbles are loads better and easier than martingale stops!

i eat marmite but it hasnt kept the flies off me today,pesky things ,and they bite.

Come on you lot share your quirks and must have items with us all!!!!

I did read that. Some people swear by Brewers Yeast tablets for keeping mosquitoes at bay, and both have B vitamins

Hi, did someone else say that feeding marmite, helped to keep the flies away?

Leave a comment for the group here...hi i found that a blob of marmite an a little epsom salts in chaff helped stop my pony itching her mane

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