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At 13:32:02 on 05.01.10, bmc06239 wrote: Most are probably aware but I thought I'd post it anyway
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At 21:09:01 on 07.01.10, farasi wrote: I think you may be surprised by the number who are not aware. I use a doubled jointed bit, but this should not be confused when a horse opens it mouth to avoid confusion of the horse learning acceptance of the bit. Teaching a rider correctly can eliminate a lot of unessesary comfort to the horse, but learning to have independant hands which are soft and light with the weight being in the elbow, I think many riders do not use a neck strap either. Which links in with a theread I am just about to start in here!
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At 10:28:32 on 08.01.10, Dazzle wrote: I agree as farasi says there is no excuse for bad riding and I don't think enough attention is paid to the mouth and size and shape of the palate. Dazzle is a typical Trakenher with a flat palate and large fleshy tongue. However, I do find these videos worrying. We are shown some examples of bad riding and the cure is to go bitless. However, like is never compared to like. Where is the footage of a horse being jumped at a decent height bitless to show how well they work? What do I ride Dazzle in? A Demi Anky, a bit especially for horses with large fleshy tongues. With horses its important to educate but never preach.
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At 08:55:48 on 09.01.10, Flicka wrote: Poo-I can't watch vids at the mo-but is a bit of this about the nutcracker effect of a single joint.? I use a double joint, a KK like Farasi, and our TBxID who has a thick tongue and used to be a bit stiff through the neck and poll really improved with the Myler comfort snaffle which gives room for the tongue as Dazzle mentions. I discussed bits with my dentist the other day and he was very anti single jointed bits as they could cause a lot of discomfort. Unfortunately people still see them as a 'mild' bit. I agree with Dazzle that you can easily put together a video of horses resisting hard hands. Are you less likely to see this with bitless riding? maybe not, because bitless stops us abusing the bit but that's not the bits fault. I think Farasis idea that we should all use a neck strap is an excellent one and hope she starts a thread. Actually I must go and put one on again!!! As for show jumpers-a lot of them use bitless bridles but they tend to be hackamore and some of them have long side pieces which can be pretty severe! It was through a show jumper I was introduced to the mild version years ago. I think it's an option they usually keep in their tack room. Recently one of my show jumping clients had taken on a horse who was a really talented jumper and asked me to check him over because even though he jumped a fantastic round in the arena he always balked and bucked before going in.. When I saw her the next time she said 'this will interest you. We put him in a hackamore and the problems have stopped! I'm not anti bits but it's always worth keeping an open mind because sometimes it's the key that unlocks the box.
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At 11:36:43 on 09.01.10, Dazzle wrote: Thats the whole key to horses, keeping on open mind. The video above implies that ALL bits cause horses pain and discomfort and are the source of most problems. What you have to bare in mind is that the video is selling a product, it will suit some horses but there is not a product/feed that will be suitable for every single horse no matter how much emotive language is used.
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At 11:56:35 on 09.01.10, Flicka wrote: Well said Dazzle-as I say I could only watch a couple of frames but have seen similar ones before on you tube making the bit look like it's an implement of torture which it's not.
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At 12:41:30 on 15.01.10, YasandCrystal wrote: Why are bitless bridles not allowed in dressage? I know that there are all sorts of different bitless bridles, but then there are so many bits and there is a list of 'eligible bits'.
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At 13:07:23 on 15.01.10, Dazzle wrote: The argument is, that dressage is ridden 'on the bit' and if you have no bit then you cannot be on it. However, there are seperate classes held in Germany for horses in bitless bridles but none here.
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At 20:13:58 on 18.01.10, plodalong wrote: I am led to believe that recent changes have occured and bitless bridles can now be used in dressage competitions in the Netherlands. Dazzle please put me right if i have got this wrong.
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At 13:22:38 on 20.01.10, bmc06239 wrote: The part I was unaware of is how sharp the bones in the lower jaw really are. I know it was kinda boring to watch but if you can made it towards the end they rub an apple over a cadaver and it really opened my eyes. Makes me even more of a loud mouth when I see heavy hands.
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