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At 18:30:48 on 28.01.10, april wrote: hey i have a new 15hh hand horse who used to be a star worked perfect and would do whatever asked he got a unconfident rider and totally chanaged he turned nasty and had to much energy he was with her for 3 years and now i have him he takes a long time to warm up and settle into work and will take an excuse to spook or take off he also when he jumps big he sometimes bucks after it more a excitment than boldness or pain and but its getting hard to jump because he keeeps doing it. when i first got hi he seemed vert angry and would bully other horses and now is starting to cheer upand relax but i dont know how to get him to stop bucking i hold his head up when posible but he is very strong thanks
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At 18:00:59 on 30.01.10, h0rz3krayzii wrote: If you have time, instead of riding sometimes, take a lunge rope and whip and just lunge him around, and everytime he bucks whip him and if that doesnt work, chuck the saddle on him, do the girth up really tight and then lunge him, BTW im a horse trainer
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At 08:15:19 on 31.01.10, Dazzle wrote: Honestly h0rzkrayzii you cannot be serious, that is the worst advice I have read on this site. april if you take this route you really will have problems. BTW I'm also an accreddited horse trainer.
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At 09:07:00 on 31.01.10, YasandCrystal wrote: Hi, I agree with Dazzle. It sounds like the horse has got into some bad habits probably through confusion and lack of direction by the rider with no confidence. The horse atarts with bad habits, the rider is too scared or too inexperienced to rectify, so they allow the behaviour which becomes an established habit. You say he 'has so much energy' and he seemed 'angry'. I think you need to review his feeding/turnout regime. Ensure he is not fed any energy feed and he has plenty of turnout. Personally I would be back to VERY basic walk and trot work with many transition changes and loads of bending. Basic training to my mind would re-establish what is expected of the horse and a bond with you and to make him concerntrate and settle. I would do this for a good couple of months before I considered jumping or cantering this horse. He is obviously now really excited so don't fuel that - keep him calm and focussed for now. You can do the schooling hacking - it doesn't just have to be in a manege. We bought a little horse that had been ridden by a young and inexperienced rider who 'yah hooed' him around the manege at every opportunity. It took 18 months to break him from that habit and the girl had only owned him for a year. Bad habits are easily learnt and sooo very hard to break. Be careful with the bucking as this will become habitual if you are not careful. In my youth I had a pony I taught to rear and shoot into canter on command at a common we always galloped on and it worked wel, he loved it and I loved it, but not all antics are welcome! btw I am not a trainer - so this is just the advice from my personal experience with horses with problems, so I am hioping it's 'good'. Dazzle will probably have some very good advice for you. Stay safe.
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At 10:20:54 on 31.01.10, YasandCrystal wrote: Hi me again, I just wanted to add this note re h0rz3krayzii suggestion about a bucking horse. I just spoke with my daughter who dated a prolific western horse rider and trainer for some years about this post and her reaction was different from mine and Dazzle - please remember we are English riders!!! She said 'oh yeah you do that with western horses/riding'. When the horse is 2 years old if it shows a buck you 'get the buck out of him' by using a bucking strap in a round pen or the method h0rz3krayzii states. She said that for this to work the horse needs to be a 2 year old and it is an established correctional method in western training to stop bucking for good. So I assume at this point that h0rz3krayzii is likely a 'western trainer' ?? I think that it probably differs with horse breeds - it seems quarter horses are 'built to buck' so what I am trying to say is that what English riders see as 'abhorrent' - the western or other riders see an 'normal way of things' to correct a behaviour. Interesting and also interesting is that the powerful quarter horses are broken at 2 years old, but this doesn't mean that they break down or are 'finished' any earlier than another horse breed broken at 4 years old, whereas some of our poor TBs are finished by 6. Sorry to hijack the thread but it is interesting different attitudes to 'cures' for vices. In the H&H forum there is an interesting thread on rearers and it never ceases to amaze me the (in my opinion) naivety of people thinking you should break an egg over the head of smack the horse between the ears to cure rearing !!! Ab mad! Waitch my video on rearing - the racehorse trainer in that has a good attitude. Another great topic to discuss would be timescales - some of these horses and trainers have no TIME on their side as the horse races or dies - simple as that. So you can't advise to pussyfoot around with ground work for weeks - the horse has to be race readly in weeks end of story!! Sorry babbing now - I am a fan of endospink tho and his great youtube vids. He's autralian btw ;-)
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At 10:36:01 on 31.01.10, YasandCrystal wrote: This is a good video of a horse that bucked because he had 'sore back muscles'. The comments are interesting!
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At 10:45:29 on 31.01.10, plodalong wrote: wonder why she thought the nh side would slate her? good work .the dangerous horse behaviour ceased, there was no threat of violence, the horse learned quickly that if he reared he wouldnt be allowed to walk on until his human asked him, leadership was decided,no-one was hurt and the horse now thinks he has trained the rider to walk on, brilliant, well done.
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At 11:21:11 on 31.01.10, crazycowgirl99 wrote: Hi everyone, I have worked in both western and english stables with training methods from scary rough old school rodeo, to natural horsemanship, to 'whatever, she'll be right!' I think know what h0rz3krayzii means and it needs to be done properly, your timing needs to be perfect. If his bucking is just a bad habit and not a response to pain (an unconfident rider may unknowingly cause pain through fear)this lunging method works off the theory 'make the right thing wrong and the wrong thing right' ie. the horse believes bucking is the right thing to do so by making him work harder everytime he bucks and rewarding him when he doesnt (smooth, controlled transitions) he will begin to think that maybe bucking isnt such a good idea afterall. Your timing needs to be right to ensure you are reprimanding him at the right time and not inadvertantly telling him off for something good. I definately agree with going all the way back to basics. Make sure he isnt in any pain, review his feed to make sure he's not reacting to anything heating or any additives in mixed feeds, and make sure he has enough turnout time to run around and be a horse. Then do lots of ground work, lots of walk and trot and transitions and no jumping till he's under control. When in doubt go to a profesional. Its not defeat, its about the safety of you, your horse and others around you if he's out of control. I am not a horse trainer but have worked with many. This is just my advice. There are many wonderful horse trainers on this site, you might have to sift through all of their advice and see what works best for you and your horse. I hope everything goes well for you April. Take Care
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At 12:23:10 on 31.01.10, april wrote: hi thanks a mill for your comments everyone they helped soooooo much ! they all so different i have been junging him with side reins on but once they off he goes back to bucking he is doing it less but putting more effort into them i been schooling him and when he settles into it he doesnt do anything wrong but and chance he gets he will go back to normal ways ... he seems to have good days and bad days !!!
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At 12:30:36 on 31.01.10, april wrote: hi also thanks for the video i going to get his back checked ive had his teeth done so this the next step !!! :)
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